FEM useless at the moment?

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FEM useless at the moment?

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Hallo,
I try to do a thermal simulation. It is the first time i'm doing this, in the past I used simulation for eigenvalues, that worked fine after some problems.

Now i have problems with the new link "think" maybe someone has an idea how to fix.
Tried a lot of ways, part, group, reorganize everything... test with a simple blocks, but no chance, tried every build, the last one with netgen,the new without netgen :
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Re: FEM useless at the moment?

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You need the same constraints you would for structural analysis too.
The is a coupled thermal-structural analysis solving temperature and associated displacement/stress simultaneously
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Re: FEM useless at the moment?

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I don't know what you mean ;-) Sorry.
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Re: FEM useless at the moment?

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Post your file. I will show you
You need fixed or displacement constraints
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Post by lambda »

Actually there is nothing wrong with the constraints I think. I do some thermal simulations with FEM too and it works for me.

I think something with your body is wrong: Maybe it is not a solid or compsolid?

I suggest first trying some primitive part like a cube.

Also makeing a sketch in 2D and the extruding in the Part WB works for me. (But without creating a Body with a coordinate system, like you do.)

Sometimes I had the same error in the past, but I don't remember the reason anymore. It was easy to work around for me.
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Now i have problems with the new link "think" maybe someone has an idea how to fix.
This is caused by a recent change on the linking of objects in different groups or bodies that adds some more restrictions. To make this working again the code must be slightly changed.
Since I am not too familiar with the FEM wb it would be good to give step-by-step instructions how to force this error message.
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Re: FEM useless at the moment?

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I assume it is about this one https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=24376

I did not have the problem yet and furthermore not yet had time to have a look at this, to be honest ...
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Re: FEM useless at the moment?

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Ahh, it is because I have not started to work with bodies ...
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I will try to post the file in the late evening. Or tomorrow...

Bernd: Did I understand it is not practical at the moment, by the way I am doing it?
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Re: FEM useless at the moment?

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sirpete83 wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:04 pm I will try to post the file in the late evening. Or tomorrow...

Bernd: Did I understand it is not practical at the moment, by the way I am doing it?
no it means I'm not up to date with FreeCAD PDN tools :shock: ... and thus FEM is not, because no other one did have a look at this ... For the models I use I do not realy need PDN. ATM I'd like to finishize the GSoC stuff ...
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