Basically, you need to generate a spreadsheet report with columns for items (materials), dimensions (areas, vol, etc).yorik wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:13 pm
The two others, we might think a bit more about what would be that setup, or even if it is really necessary to set anything up. I have no clear idea about that yet. What would want to do a typical user who would want to do these two things with FreeCAD?
In the case of quantity surveying I would think:
1) Open a model (typically import an IFC file)
2) Gather some stuff in a spreadsheet
3) Measure some stuff manually (survey tool)
Maybe we need to think further about the integration between 1) the different levels, windows, space BIM dialogs, 2) the Arch Schedule tool, 3) the Arch survey tool. At the moment each one works in its own corner, ideally the person would want to start a new spreadsheet, and start filling it using all these tools...
I will include:yorik wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:13 pmIn the case of construction planning:
1) Open a model (typically import an IFC file)
2) Check if there is any planning info (We need a planning dialog certainly)
3) Create "deadlines" (or whatever the right term would be)
4) Attribute project elements to deadlines
5) Export a spreadsheet
Well... Now there are so many new things coming: robots, artificial intelligence, etc. that I think the near future is uncertain. Probably in 10 years people are not going to use BIM or CAD software as a professional tool anymore (machines will do). Who knows... Maybe the future of FreeCAD is not in the professional world, but in the world of Hobbies and "Do it by yourself" fans.
... or, to be audacious, the future of BIM is not in the professional world, but in the world of Hobbies and "Do it by yourself" fans.
Sure you know better than anyone the potential of BIM technology (your contribution is remarkable because is from outside of the corporate world).yorik wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:19 pm... or, to be audacious, the future of BIM is not in the professional world, but in the world of Hobbies and "Do it by yourself" fans.
Good additions above... We should have some tools to manage scaffoldings and other "heavy-duty" worksite elements...
Each software has it's own jargon. It doesn't help collaboration purposes and learning curves.yorik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:05 pmI also think managing sites, buildings and levels in one single dialog might make it quickly overcomplicated. But one for "project setup" (sites + buildings) and one for levels, might work well.
The idea behind axis/levels/floors would indeed be to merge all this in a more simple structure. But using axes to define levels doesn't seem such a good idea to me anymore. Now I think it might be better to have a more easy to use Floor object (which could display a level mark in the 3D view, exactly like the axes). "Floor" should also be renamed to something else (Storey? Level?) because floor is ambiguous, it could also designate the material you step on. But Storey and Level both refer to a "stacked" situation (one on top of another), I'd like to find a word that is more generic, that would allow for example to have two building parts next to each other. Maybe "Building Part", simply?
I heavily use data to design HVAC / energy systems with revit. To me the I is way far more interesting/important than the shiny 3D / quantification part. I'm currently trying to explore IFC specs a lot to hopefully :yorik wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:36 pmThe thing is also, we hear much about that, how important the data, or the Information part in "BIM" is,but honestly up to now I very rarely saw any file that contains something really usable. Revit exports a lot of properties for each object, but that are almost only useful to revit itself.
Most IFC models I come across really contain not much more than geometry and materials... Not that my experiences covers the whole BIM world of course.
Of course the IFC format has a lot more of interesting stuff to look at and implement, and it's also something to work on, have a good editor for IFC properties. But at the moment it is still very unclear what all the "additional data" would be, what standard they would/should have, etc.
Maybe it's actually a good opportunity to start defining that ourselves
That is true. Just a couple of weeks ago I was in a government event for the OpenDataDay. And one of the things discussed there was how important is to have good quality data and clear formats to start sharing this data. To make it usable (there is already an official guideline for opendata formats in the government, but it is not followed for all gov staff). It is a common problem.
Thanks. I see the topic has been discussed in some way.
It is terrific somebody has better understanding thus vision about this and guide the development direction!bitacovir wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:42 pmDo you want to keep the focus of this BIM Workbench for design exclusively?yorik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:42 pm(...)
The main focus of the BIM WB would be to create a new "layer" of interface on top of all this: Wizards, setup screens, dialogs, etc. The idea is to explore what an interesting BIM workflow would be, how it could be more intuitive and easier to learn.