Wall fails to form using closed dwire

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damian
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Re: Wall fails to form using closed dwire

Postby damian » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:50 pm

paullee wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:47 pm
Should that 'last point before start be 0,7.33,0? (rather than -8yd, 0,0 or 0,0,0)
No
If your 'Start' is (0,0,0) the 'End' is (-8,0,0), following the @Dgingrey's instructions.
Another question is that @Dgingrey includes two edges over the same line, one began at (0,0,0) and other began at (-8,0,0)
paullee wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:47 pm
I do not quite remember where I might have read the FC 'right hand' rule?
The 'right hand' rule is not an FC rule. It's a universal rule, used in geometry, physic, etc. You can read about it in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule.
The other 'rule' or criteria is a more specialized concept, owner of a few programs, and again it isn't an FC concept. It consists in to start your draw by the vertex with the less Y coordinate, and when there are two o more vertices with this Y coordinate (low), to select the one of them with the less X coordinate (left). The second part is to ubicate this lower left point at the origin of the coordinates (0,0,0). Nothing in FreeCAD force to you to follow this rule, but generally, it's a good strategy to improve the user orientation and sometimes avoid problems.
Dgingrey
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Re: Wall fails to form using closed dwire

Postby Dgingrey » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:52 pm

The direction of rotation when forming the dwire does indeed seem to be affecting the results. When I construct the same dwire starting at the origin (0,0,0) and ending at the origin (0,0,0) but drawing in a clockwise rotation the wall forms correctly. Experimenting further I found that if the
first segment of the dwire is parallel to the x-axis and the closing segment is also parallel to the x-axis and the dwire has been constructed in a counter clockwise direction then the wall fails. If the beginning segment and the closing segment are parallel to the y-axis or the beginning segment
and closing segment are perpendicular to each other then it doesn't matter which direction, clockwise or counter clockwise, you draw the dwire, the
wall forms correctly.
damian
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Re: Wall fails to form using closed dwire

Postby damian » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:37 pm

Dgingrey wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:52 pm
The direction of rotation when forming the dwire does indeed seem to be affecting the results. When I construct the same dwire starting at the origin (0,0,0) and ending at the origin (0,0,0) but drawing in a clockwise rotation the wall forms correctly.
yes
Dgingrey wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:52 pm
Experimenting further I found that if the
first segment of the dwire is parallel to the x-axis and the closing segment is also parallel to the x-axis and the dwire has been constructed in a counter clockwise direction then the wall fails. If the beginning segment and the closing segment are parallel to the y-axis or the beginning segment
and closing segment are perpendicular to each other then it doesn't matter which direction, clockwise or counter clockwise, you draw the dwire, the
wall forms correctly.
yes
paullee
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Re: Wall fails to form using closed dwire

Postby paullee » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:20 pm

Thanks Damian for the explanation of the Right Hand Rule etc.

I remember the Right Hand Rule for physics but does not aware the implication in drafting wire :)

damian wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:37 pm
Dgingrey wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:52 pm
The direction of rotation when forming the dwire does indeed seem to be affecting the results. When I construct the same dwire starting at the origin (0,0,0) and ending at the origin (0,0,0) but drawing in a clockwise rotation the wall forms correctly.
yes
I thought Right Hand Rule means drawings Counter-clockwise better?
Dgingrey wrote:
Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:52 pm
Experimenting further I found that if the
first segment of the dwire is parallel to the x-axis and the closing segment is also parallel to the x-axis and the dwire has been constructed in a counter clockwise direction then the wall fails. If the beginning segment and the closing segment are parallel to the y-axis or the beginning segment
and closing segment are perpendicular to each other then it doesn't matter which direction, clockwise or counter clockwise, you draw the dwire, the
wall forms correctly.

Or should afterall - do not draw the 'Last' Segment but just let Dwire 'close' it for you better?