[Annoucement] ArchWall support Multiple Width (& Align) ('toponaming-tolerant' being exposed in 2024)

[paullee]

[EDIT] - (Width & Align 'toponaming-tolerant' being exposed in 2024)

[EDIT] Latest change
- Sketch with multiple numbers of wires is supported
- And conceiving usecase of building only 1 Wall on a Sketch as layout plan
[EDIT]

Following discussion in below thread, the feature to support ArchWall to have multiple width is accepted.
https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=36772

The concept is simple, example workflow as below:-

1. Use Draft Wire to outline the series of connecting Wall with different width
2. Create a Wall based on the Wire
3. Click 'OverrideWidth' in Property Panel
4. Enter the figures of width for each segment following the order of Wire
5. Done

Other Remarks:-

1. You may note that it may be easier if you have the Wire alignment to either Left or Right of the Wall
   - all depends on what dimensions you have for your walls
   - whether building connecting walls on 1 wire is helpful depends on the layout and advance planning
2. The classic Width input is overridden apparently when OverrideWidth is used
3. When a figure in OverrideWidth is 0, the 1st figure in OverrideWidth would be used - less repeated input if possible
4. - if 1st figure in OverrideWdth is 0, it will fallback to use figure in Width
5. Using Sketch is similar, but watch the 'order' of the edge, 'connect' all edge in same direction ( as Sketcher 'construct' the Wire taking into account of edge direction )

Example Images / Files below and In Original Discussion Thread:-

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Example of model if Multiple Width is not used
Wires needs some gaps / overlapping somehow

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[paullee]

More Examples in original thread

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[dimitar]

Pretty neat tool! Thanks for sharing

[paullee]

Ok, it should now support Sketch which resulted in multiple numbers of wires.
- just as previous, input list of figures in OverrideWidth

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[paullee]

And conceiving usecase ...
- of using Sketch as layout plan
- Just 1 ArchWall on the Sketch
- set widths of different width as desired

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[paullee]

If there are a numbers of walls with different Width in 1 Wall Object, which is based on 1 Sketch Object...

is it desirable to edit width of each wall segment with GUI?


A Mock-Up:-

phpBB [video]

[paullee]

Another mock-up of GUI to edit width of each wall segment

phpBB [video]

[furgo]

Hi,

Thanks @paullee for bringing in this feature a while back. I updated the https://wiki.freecad.org/Arch_Wall wiki page to add a description for the Override Width property, which I've taken from the tooltip on the code. In any case, I've been testing it and I've got a few questions:

1. Where the tooltip mentions: "Ignored if the Base object provides Widths information with the getWidths() method." => could you elaborate on this? Is the Base object suppose to have a "Widths" property? If so, where is the "Widths" property documented?

2. Where the tooltip mentions: "The 1st value overrides the 'Width' attribute for the 1st segment of wall; if a value is zero, 1st value of 'OverrideWidth' will be followed" => either I do not understand this correctly, or the behavior has changed. Whenever a value in the "Override Widths" list is set to 0, then the actual width of the corresponding segment will be set to the value of the "Width" property. That's it, no propagation of the value of the first item in the list, the first item in the list behaves the same as any other list item. Is this the expected behavior?

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[ProjectBP]

This is a wonderful possibility (as well as override align).
But I would really like it to be improved.
This option is difficult to use with a large number of walls. The order in which the width will be assigned is completely unclear. There are not enough identifiers for the sketch elements that would help figure out which wall segment the specified width will be assigned to.

Example in the picture. It is completely unclear why the widest wall is located in the center, although I painted it one of the last. No. 8.
Moreover, this is the first value in the width table. You can find out what width will change only by assigning values one by one and watch how the model changes on the screen.

I understand that this is due to the toponaming problem. But the program works out the sequence. This sequentially just needs to be displayed on the screen somehow. (for example, display the serial number of the table row next to the sketch element)

[paullee]

Thanks @furgo and @ProjectBP for the discussion.

Before I go into details at your queries and/or comments, probably I would let you know below first

1. The Width and Align per edge/wall segment support had been 'toponaming-tolerant' since 2021 (but not exposed)
2. (just like Automatic Placement had been 'toponaming-tolerant' - this was exposed, SketchArch Addon ['Toponamng-Tolerant' Feature] - Intuitive Automatic Placement)
3. I have some time since a few weeks ago to expose it to support Width and Align soon (in a few days time?)
4. It means users no more needs to use Override Width and Override Align
5. Just as shown in earlier youtube demo, use the SketchArch tools (2 separate button for each feature), click on the edge to tell what width or align you want and that's it. And it won't change even you delete a few edges - 'toponaming-tolerant'

More detailed and technical discussion is available at github at the moment - e.g. https://github.com/paullee0/FreeCAD_Ske ... g-tolerant. And you find the features available / being developed there.

Thanks.