NormandC wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:40 am
Tilli wrote: ↑
Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:38 am
It seems that the Ubuntu-based Linux Mint install of povray does not automatically include these support files, instead only mentioning "povray-includes" in the description as "highly recommended."
In Ubuntu, povray-includes is listed as "Recommends:" for the povray package. Packages identified as "Recommends:" are automatically installed by default. The setting is called "Treat recommended packages as dependencies" and I've only found it listed in Synaptic's preferences. It is not listed anywhere in Software & Updates. So the user needs to purposely disable this setting, and since Synaptic is no longer installed by default, we can assume that most users will never disable it.
Are you saying that it's not the case on Linux Mint? I'm trying hard to understand their reasoning on this.
Ooh. Erm. Tricky question. "Pass..."
It's ironic that this might
even be a perfect example of my having gone off-piste
in the past and it coming back to bite me, which is exactly what I was fretting about a few posts ago regarding the non-listed Addons/Macros.
Bowie famously sang "Ch-ch-ch-changes..." and there've been far too many here it would seem. I had originally composed yet another much longer reply explaining loads about the "route to now." In the end I've deleted it all as pointless noise.
Suffice to say, in the two or three years I've been using Linux Mint, I've upgraded
-- as distinct from a fresh install, in which prefs go default -- the OS version once or twice. The developers too definitely have
changed their installer/updater design and policies quite a lot
. On top of that, following various security concerns and (off-piste) suggestions I encountered, I know I have indeed
altered preferences locally at times.
Unfortunately the exact what
of all this is lost to memory.
Interesting you should mention Synaptic
, I do
have Synaptic Package Manager installed here. Given my internet situation, two of the first changes I always make after an OS install are the updater's auto-download settings and the package-manager's keepcache behaviour. From years of yum/fedora I remember being a bit confused and blunderbussy after switching to apt/ubuntu. While trying to firstly "Find..." and then "Control..." foobar in the unfamiliar apt/ubuntu landscape I'll admit there was a fair bit of thrashing-about, and I think Synaptic was part of that period
I just launched it, and the preference "Consider recommended packages
as dependencies" was indeed un-checked
. I do not remember whether that was my doing, nor when.
, clicking "Apply" then running a timestamp-search "find / -newermt '1 minute ago'
" (several -prunes omitted here) revealed that two
just been modified.
contains the single
other settings, including the line :
I do not know why there's both synaptic.conf and 99synaptic apparently duplicating the setting for Recommends. Anyway, for the reasons hinted earlier, I've GUI-toggled it back to unchecked and after clicking "Apply" these two files both changed (to "false" and "0" respectively).
I suppose only someone doing a series of fresh installs today, perhaps in a virtual guest, could say what the various defaults actually have been and are now. Unfortunately with the internet-access I (barely) have and other resource-limitations under which I struggle, I'm unable to be that tester and unable to establish exactly what's what.
So, it's a case of sorry @NormandC, I can't easily say one way or the other
. Hopefully you see why.
The important thing is we found a reason, a potential gotcha, and this can be flagged-up in the docs.
Linux Mint have definitely changed both their GUI application and their default policies throughout my time using it; and I myself have quite possibly also changed preferences in this area too, but I don't know the full what and when.