Basic "easy" stuff? (Solved)

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dkolars
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Basic "easy" stuff? (Solved)

Post by dkolars »

Long time computer user here (Commodore 64 and on), retired IT (Win NT4.0), did a lot of work with spreadsheets, databases, HTML, word processing, etc. etc.
I'm a woodworker/luthier, lathe, laser engraving, etc... Use Inkscape a lot, but was not having the best of luck with its G-code generator, so, got FreeCAD to see what it could do. I got a Genmitsu 3018 Pro about 3-4 weeks ago, and am totally adlepated right about now.
Here's my info from the help file:
OS: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (XFCE/xubuntu)
Word size of OS: 64-bit
Word size of FreeCAD: 64-bit
Version: 0.19.24291 (Git) AppImage
Build type: Release
Branch: (HEAD detached at 0.19.2)
Hash: 7b5e18a0759de778b74d3a5c17eba9cb815035ac
Python version: 3.8.8
Qt version: 5.12.9
Coin version: 4.0.0
OCC version: 7.4.0
Locale: English/United States (en_US)
I'm using a HP Pavilion laptop with Win 10 to run the machine, transferring data on USB stick between systems.

I thought my project would be super simple, but...

My end goal is to make a wooden disc, 2-3" in diameter, 0.1 - 0.2" thick. In this disk, I'd like to have 5 holes, 5/16th down to 1/16th by 16ths, no particular order for the holes.

I've given up on that for now and am trying to simply make a hole in a shape! Have watched HOURS of YouTube vids, my buddy has been running RhinoCAD for about 20 yrs and has helped with some of the basics, but I am stymied.

1) Part Design: Create & make active body on X-Y plane, create sketch
2) Sketcher: create 1.5" square
3) Sketcher: create 1" circle inside that square
4) Part Design: Pad to 0.1"
... I now have a square with a hole in it.
5) Path: Create Job
6) Set box, dimensions, bit, set Origin to lower left corner, processor to "grbl"
7) Select inside face of hole, and now the fun starts...

What I envision is my cutter bit, going around the inside edge of the hole and creating a hole AND a disc.

IF I use "Creates a Path 3D pocket object" the program wants to remove all the material to create the hole.
IF I use "Profile entire model...", the program seems to do what I want, but...

Looking at the Profile sheet, I cannot change the "Stepdown" from 0.9483 thou... Reading a dozen or so pages on this on the web is no help at all...
Since I'm only cutting 0.1", that seems wrong. I'd like to step it by 0.05 or 0.025 and cut the disc out in 2-4 passes...

But, if I go ahead and use those settings, set the Operation to Use Start Point & Process Perimeter, the graphic depiction of the results seems to be OK.... however, it takes a gazillion passes around to accomplish it, and looking at the G-code, the bit is going from the top surface down to -2.539999, which seems a bit extreme for a 0.1 thick piece.

And, the G-code has I, J, & K values, and I have to edit file to delete all the K0.000 instances, as it will not run with them.

THEN, when I attempt to run the file, using Candle, the bit moves to the proper location, drops down to touch the surface, raises back up, and the program says it was "Completed, run time 6 sec".

Should not the G-code have simply the R code instead of I, J, K?

Here's the G-code:

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Profile)
(Uncompensated Tool Path)
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This makes learning relational databases when they first came out seem easy!!

What am I doing wrong??? TIA DK
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

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Hi and welcome to the forum!

You can change the stepdown if you click on the f(x) symbol at the right. Although it doesn't show the change immediately, it will change. You can see it on the next reopen.

Some organizational remarks:
I will move this post to the Path workbench subforum.

You should use the current 0.20 version from https://github.com/FreeCAD/FreeCAD-AppI ... kly-builds . There have been important improvements made to Path workbench.

Please edit your post above and place the G-code in code tags instead of quote.
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

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Well, went to the git-hub, d/l ./FreeCAD_weekly-builds-26155-Linux-Conda_glibc2.12-x86_64.AppImage... read the instructions, ran
bash: ./FreeCAD_weekly-builds-26155-Linux-Conda_glibc2.12-x86_64.AppImage: Permission denied

So, ran
sudo: ./FreeCAD_weekly-builds-26155-Linux-Conda_glibc2.12-x86_64.AppImage: command not found

No clue... Went to website, and it's got 19.something and link to builds...

And f(x) is what that blue circle is supposed to be? Totally illegible... Pale blue circle w/white in it. I can click that a thousand times and it will NOT change from "0.9843 thou"... The other settings with that blue circle will change after 3 tries, every time, 3 tries: 1) Clear, OK. 2) enter new value, OK. 3) open again, and click OK, THEN it takes!

I changed to code from quote, thanks for keeping me up to date!
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

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dkolars wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:55 pm ...
Download appimage.
Left-clicks on the appimage and gives permissions.
Then run it.

no more work.
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

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Shalmeneser wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:02 pm
dkolars wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:55 pm ...
Download appimage.
Left-clicks on the appimage and gives permissions.
Then run it.

no more work.
OK, got it... for me is right-click, make executable, then it runs. Thank you! Don't work with AppImage very often...
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

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Down the rabbit hole we go: d/l appimagetool-x86_64.AppImage so I could extract the squash-fs as per instructions... then get:
dk@dk-desktop:~/Downloads$ sudo ./appimagetool-x86_64.AppImage squashfs-root
appimagetool, continuous build (commit 8bbf694), build <local dev build> built on 2020-12-31 11:48:33 UTC
Using architecture x86_64
/home/dk/Downloads/squashfs-root should be packaged as appimagetool-x86_64.AppImage
AppStream upstream metadata found in usr/share/metainfo/appimagetool.appdata.xml
Trying to validate AppStream information with the appstreamcli tool
In case of issues, please refer to https://github.com/ximion/appstream
org.freecadweb.FreeCAD.appdata.xml

appimagetool.appdata.xml
W: appimagetool.desktop:3: cid-desktopapp-is-not-rdns appimagetool.desktop

Validation failed: warnings: 1, pedantic: 4
run_external: subprocess exited with status 3Failed to validate AppStream information with appstreamcli
The " https://github.com/ximion/appstream org.freecadweb.FreeCAD.appdata.xml" is not a valid addy.
Think it's time for some garden cleanup to relax.
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

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Never ever open a program as root!

I use very seldom Appimages. But when, then i active them like the description in https://appimage.org/. While Subsurface*is the replacement of the name of the program.

Greetings
user1234
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

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dkolars wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:08 am What am I doing wrong?
If you can post your FCStd file it is likely that someone can figure out the issues with your model or the path creation process quite quickly.

I looked at the g-code. It works, as you say, but the stepdown is tiny. However, there is no way to know what is happening in the FC file to cause this g-code issue.

Gene
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

Post by dkolars »

GeneFC wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:57 pm
dkolars wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:08 am What am I doing wrong?
If you can post your FCStd file it is likely that someone can figure out the issues with your model or the path creation process quite quickly.

I looked at the g-code. It works, as you say, but the stepdown is tiny. However, there is no way to know what is happening in the FC file to cause this g-code issue.

Gene
OK, here 'tis. TY.
Test hole.FCStd
(25.58 KiB) Downloaded 31 times
OS: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (XFCE/xubuntu)
64-bit
Version: 0.19.24291 (Git) AppImage
Python version: 3.8.8
Qt version: 5.12.9
Coin version: 4.0.0
OCC version: 7.4.0
Locale: English/United States (en_US)
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Re: Basic "easy" stuff?

Post by dkolars »

user1234 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:13 pm Never ever open a program as root!

I use very seldom Appimages. But when, then i active them like the description in https://appimage.org/. While Subsurface*is the replacement of the name of the program.

Greetings
user1234
dk@dk-desktop:~/Downloads$ chmod a+x appimagetool-x86_64.AppImage
dk@dk-desktop:~/Downloads$ appimagetool-x86_64.AppImage
appimagetool-x86_64.AppImage: command not found
Nope
OS: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (XFCE/xubuntu)
64-bit
Version: 0.19.24291 (Git) AppImage
Python version: 3.8.8
Qt version: 5.12.9
Coin version: 4.0.0
OCC version: 7.4.0
Locale: English/United States (en_US)
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