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Re: Section Face Format

Postby wandererfan » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:33 pm

bitacovir wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:54 pm
Maybe it is possible change the Edit Section panel to something like this:
I like it. Look for it in a future update.
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby basmati » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:22 am

I'm having a problem that might be related.
I create a section but the result I get is not what I would expect.

I have two (wooden) parts that are being connected by dowels.
I create a section that intersects one of the dowels.

I want to be able to show the measurements of the connecting parts, the dowles, the depth and the diameter of the hole.

Two things that I would have expected to behave differently:

1. I wouldn't have expected to see the front face (cutout & holes) on the section. I think there is no reason for this.

2. I would have expeced to have a line surrounding the holes and the dowels to better differentiate between them or (even better) to be able to manually add different hatches to the three different parts. The way it works now makes it hard to even see (or distinguish) the hole with the dowel.
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby bitacovir » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:25 pm

basmati wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:22 am
I'm having a problem that might be related.
I create a section but the result I get is not what I would expect.

I have two (wooden) parts that are being connected by dowels.
I create a section that intersects one of the dowels.

I want to be able to show the measurements of the connecting parts, the dowles, the depth and the diameter of the hole.

Two things that I would have expected to behave differently:

1. I wouldn't have expected to see the front face (cutout & holes) on the section. I think there is no reason for this.

2. I would have expeced to have a line surrounding the holes and the dowels to better differentiate between them or (even better) to be able to manually add different hatches to the three different parts. The way it works now makes it hard to even see (or distinguish) the hole with the dowel.
Please, you should include in the post your FreeCAD installation details. Also, it would be useful to share the file. This way @wandererfan can understand what is the problem.
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby basmati » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:39 pm

bitacovir wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:25 pm
Please, you should include in the post your FreeCAD installation details. Also, it would be useful to share the file. This way @wandererfan can understand what is the problem.
yes, of course, sorry!

attached is a file.

my Version is:

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OS: macOS 10.15
Word size of OS: 64-bit
Word size of FreeCAD: 64-bit
Version: 0.19.18714 (Git)
Build type: Release
Branch: master
Hash: a7ad04ba4aefb486fbc5e7c68da3dd488443b08c
Python version: 3.7.3
Qt version: 5.12.5
Coin version: 4.0.0a
OCC version: 7.3.0
Locale: German/Germany (de_DE)
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby wandererfan » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:00 pm

basmati wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:22 am
1. I wouldn't have expected to see the front face (cutout & holes) on the section. I think there is no reason for this.

2. I would have expeced to have a line surrounding the holes and the dowels to better differentiate between them or (even better) to be able to manually add different hatches to the three different parts. The way it works now makes it hard to even see (or distinguish) the hole with the dowel.
1) The latest version displays your section as:
basmati_test_section_Assembly_orig.png
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2) The end view is displayed as:
basmati_test_section_endview.png
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I think this is closer to what you wanted.
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby basmati » Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:11 am

wandererfan wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:00 pm
basmati wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:22 am
1. I wouldn't have expected to see the front face (cutout & holes) on the section. I think there is no reason for this.

2. I would have expeced to have a line surrounding the holes and the dowels to better differentiate between them or (even better) to be able to manually add different hatches to the three different parts. The way it works now makes it hard to even see (or distinguish) the hole with the dowel.
1) The latest version displays your section as:
basmati_test_section_Assembly_orig.png

2) The end view is displayed as:
basmati_test_section_endview.png

I think this is closer to what you wanted.
This is great, thanks!
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby vocx » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:56 am

Hi Wandererfan, I just have a question, is this topic of the sectional views done? I mean, does TechDraw provide the correct, expected views, and sections? Or is this still a work in progress?

I added this topic to the release notes page (Release_notes_0.19, TechDraw section) but I did not add an image showcasing the new behavior because at the time it was still under development and testing. Now I would like to add the image showing the original front view and some sections and side views. Do you have an image that can be used for this? Or should I create one?

Also, I didn't link to a pull request or commit hash that can be referenced. Can you pinpoint when the concrete improvement was made, and subsequent commits with small fixes?

Also please take a look at the entire section just to see if there is something notable missing. In the last few weeks I've seen small tweaks here and there, but they seem to be small fixes, and not necessarily a new tool, like welding symbols or centerlines, etc. Those are really notable results, and those we want documented.
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby wandererfan » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:36 pm

vocx wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:56 am
Hi Wandererfan, I just have a question, is this topic of the sectional views done? I mean, does TechDraw provide the correct, expected views, and sections? Or is this still a work in progress?
The "point in the right direction/orientation" stuff is done. There are still issues with sections for assemblies and sections for parts with geometry errors, but that is a separate topic, I think.
I added this topic to the release notes page (Release_notes_0.19, TechDraw section) but I did not add an image showcasing the new behavior because at the time it was still under development and testing. Now I would like to add the image showing the original front view and some sections and side views. Do you have an image that can be used for this? Or should I create one?
I never made a proper before and after picture. I'll look for an FCStd file that illustrates the problem and run it through 18 & 19.
Also, I didn't link to a pull request or commit hash that can be referenced. Can you pinpoint when the concrete improvement was made, and subsequent commits with small fixes?
This is the announcement thread. It references the PR. Will have to look back for the small fixes.
Also please take a look at the entire section just to see if there is something notable missing. In the last few weeks I've seen small tweaks here and there, but they seem to be small fixes, and not necessarily a new tool, like welding symbols or centerlines, etc. Those are really notable results, and those we want documented.
OK. Added to my list.
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Re: Section Face Format

Postby vocx » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:47 pm

wandererfan wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:36 pm
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This is the announcement thread. It references the PR. Will have to look back for the small fixes.
This is from November? I don't know how I missed it. Maybe too much going on around that time.
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