[RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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grandcross wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:23 am
  • Parachute ??? (What would this look like?)
Maybe the glider workbench can help with this point: https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=13497
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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jonasb wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:39 pm Maybe the glider workbench can help with this point: https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=13497
So perhaps another feature that's redundant, not that that's a problem :D Great find!
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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From user Fattbank64 on the rocketry forum (TRF) https://www.rocketryforum.com/threads/r ... ch.164298/ came the suggestion for a transition generator. This would have been part of any importers anyways but now I'm thinking it would be as useful as the nose cone generator!

That and RASAero have me thinking a fin designer would be useful as well to create more detailed airfoils, tapered fins, etc.These features would also be used with any importers.

I think this is critical mass for a workbench. I think it's time!

Summary for initial implementation:

1. Nose Cones
2. Transitions
3. Fins and Fin Cans
4. Importers

Keep the features coming!
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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jonasb wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 2:39 pm
grandcross wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:23 am
  • Parachute ??? (What would this look like?)
Maybe the glider workbench can help with this point: https://forum.freecadweb.org/viewtopic.php?t=13497
I need to check out and learn the glider workbench as I want to do some glider/ram air designs, but yes it may well do a lot of stuff that's needed for rocketry. Currently things like open rocket use mass and drag coefficient and diameter of parachute data to simulate descent. I have written a few tools to help me with making more interesting chute designs like the annular chute below. I'd love a tool that you could input a mass and desired terminal velocity and it could then help you design different types of parachutes. annular, crossform, ballute etc
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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grandcross wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:15 pm From user Fattbank64 on the rocketry forum (TRF) https://www.rocketryforum.com/threads/r ... ch.164298/ came the suggestion for a transition generator. This would have been part of any importers anyways but now I'm thinking it would be as useful as the nose cone generator!

That and RASAero have me thinking a fin designer would be useful as well to create more detailed airfoils, tapered fins, etc.These features would also be used with any importers.

I think this is critical mass for a workbench. I think it's time!

Summary for initial implementation:

1. Nose Cones
2. Transitions
3. Fins and Fin Cans
4. Importers

Keep the features coming!
Transitions is a good call. Fins and Fin Cans could be interesting, be nice to have something that lays out nice "through wall" designs for fins. When I think of what you would need to know to be able to generate through fins though (motor mount tube, centering rings etc) you are close to what you might need to design the whole rocket :) Importer of openrocket would be amazing for me. Do the rough design and simulation and the CP CG in there and then fine tune and add real detail and produce parts from FreeCAD.
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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A rocket WB with one tool to draw a stage.
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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johnwang wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:22 pm A rocket WB with one tool to draw a stage.
Thanks! I'll look at this ASAP!
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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grandcross wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:23 am
  • RASAero - ?
Maybe just output a file for RASAero, so RASAero can open it and do the calculation.
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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grandcross wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:24 pm Thanks! I'll look at this ASAP!
I copied your code, but draw the stage in WB.
Interesting, one side is open and the other side is closed.
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Re: [RFC] Rocketry Workbench

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johnwang wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:25 pm
grandcross wrote: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:23 am
  • RASAero - ?
Maybe just output a file for RASAero, so RASAero can open it and do the calculation.
That's mostly my thought, although it may be possible to do a little better. For example. RASAero can import Rocksim files, but these have incomplete fin info. The fin design tool could take these extra features into account. And of course import is also a nice to have, and the MDI style interface mentioned earlier
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