Won't weigh in. Let the native english speakers tell us. From a reader PoV, any is acceptable.chrisb wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:59 am I need some help for expressing things correctly in English. I use the abbreviation DOF for "Degrees of Freedom". Sometimes it is used in the singular form, e.g. "... there is one DOF left". Then the expansion would not be quite correct. Another possibility would be to use DOF for the singular and DOFs for the plural form.
Question: Which option is to be prefered: "DOF" everywhere or "DOF"+"DOFs"? (Or something completely different?)
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I think DOF can be used interchangeably in both singular and plural context. I've also seen people use 'DOFs' and that comes across as plural very naturally. I've also seen 1 DOF to imply singular and 6 DOF to imply pluralchrisb wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:59 am I need some help for expressing things correctly in English. I use the abbreviation DOF for "Degrees of Freedom". Sometimes it is used in the singular form, e.g. "... there is one DOF left". Then the expansion would not be quite correct. Another possibility would be to use DOF for the singular and DOFs for the plural form.
Question: Which option is to be prefered: "DOF" everywhere or "DOF"+"DOFs"? (Or something completely different?)
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For myself at least, no apology needed. I'm glad to help.chrisb wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:59 am I need some help for expressing things correctly in English. I use the abbreviation DOF for "Degrees of Freedom". Sometimes it is used in the singular form, e.g. "... there is one DOF left". Then the expansion would not be quite correct. Another possibility would be to use DOF for the singular and DOFs for the plural form.
Question: Which option is to be prefered: "DOF" everywhere or "DOF"+"DOFs"? (Or something completely different?)
Sorry guys for bothering you, but I would like to see your input - and you have been helpful before
In US English, either way is acceptable. Traditionally, abbreviations were considered "dimensionless" (i.e. neither singular nor plural). The consideration of plurality is a relatively modern (start of electronic communications) phenomenon. If you choose to consider plurality, then the current convention would be DOF = singular and DOFs = plural. That said, a great many formal writing groups would still recommend using DOF is all cases.
Personally, I side with the formal groups about 85% of the time. I try to reserve the "added s" form for the rare times that I must be completely unambiguous about an abbreviation being plural. General English already uses many words, such as "deer" and "sheep" which are context dependent for their dimension; therefore, I see little advantage to the "added s" in abbreviations. In most of my writings I have found that is adds confusion to many non-native English speakers. For example, a French colleague once ask what the difference was because such plurals generally do not exist in French. When I explained, she replied with "Oh you silly American, how quaint." and we both had a good laugh.
All that to say either is perfectly acceptable, but I would simply use DOF throughout.
Hope that helps my friend, and again, thanks for asking.
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Well my friend, your English is exceptional. In fact, if you hadn't said otherwise, I would not have known English wasn't your native language.
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In baseball we have a stat called RBI (runs batted in). If a player has 2 runs batted in that is sometimes referred to as 2 RBI and sometimes 2 RBI's. Most people will say he had 2 RBI.chrisb wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:59 am I need some help for expressing things correctly in English. I use the abbreviation DOF for "Degrees of Freedom". Sometimes it is used in the singular form, e.g. "... there is one DOF left". Then the expansion would not be quite correct. Another possibility would be to use DOF for the singular and DOFs for the plural form.
Question: Which option is to be prefered: "DOF" everywhere or "DOF"+"DOFs"? (Or something completely different?)
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Manuals of style indicate that acronyms should be pluralized just like normal words, by adding an S at the end, but no apostrophe.TheMarkster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:34 pm In baseball we have a stat called RBI (runs batted in). If a player has 2 runs batted in that is sometimes referred to as 2 RBI and sometimes 2 RBI's. Most people will say he had 2 RBI.
So, RBI is pronounced "arr-bee-eye", so it should be pluralized RBIs, "arr-bee-eyes". However, this is not traditional done with many acronyms. So RBI can be used with both singular and plural meanings.
Adding the apostrophe is incorrect, except when talking about possessives. However, the Internet has distorted everything, and now people add apostrophe's like crazy, even to normal plural's. It is not uncommon to see many error's like these.
So, RBI's should not be correct.
It's GIFs, not GIF's. It's DOFs not DOF's. It's FAQs, not FAQ's.
You can add an apostrophe to a plural but only in one situation, when talking about single letters. So A's, B's, C's, is correct when talking about many single letters, "I got A's and B's in my tests".
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Thank you very much, I will use DOF. I found another good reason to do so: In the meaning of "number of degrees of freedom" it is always singular
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I found this on the web:
Edit: I meant to say *if* you are going to pluralize with an s, then do it without the apostrophe.
So, basically if the abbreviation is all CAPS *and* has periods, then use the apostrophe, otherwise don't. So, it should be DOFs or RBIs, I guess, based on that and on what vocx stated.Here’s the relevant portion of The [New York] Times’s stylebook entry:
Use apostrophes for plurals of abbreviations that have capital letters and periods: M.D.’s, C.P.A.’s. Also use apostrophes for plurals formed from single letters: He received A’s and B’s on his report card. Mind your p’s and q’s.
But do not use apostrophes for plurals of abbreviations without periods, or for plurals formed from figures: TVs, PCs, DVDs; 1990s, 747s, size 7s.
Edit: I meant to say *if* you are going to pluralize with an s, then do it without the apostrophe.
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Well done my friend!
Point if interest, while all acronyms are abbreviations, not all abbreviations are acronyms. In English, to be an acronym the first letter(s) of each major word (minus articles, prepositions, etc.) must form a pronouncible word. For example NASA is an acronym for the "National Aeronautics and Space Administration" and NABISCO for "National Biscuit Company"; while IBM is simply an abbreviation (International Business Machines) as it does not itself form a pronouncinble word.
It should also be noted that there are many "Manuals of Style" for English. Not all agree on the plurals of either abbreviations or acronyms. So your original question is a good one with the classic Enlish answer of "It depends..."
FMS, ITA TLA AMAP (For myself I try to avoid three letter abbreviations as much as possible).
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Dear Friends of FreeCAD, I finally did it. I have uploaded a new version of the formerly called Sketcher tutorial. I have renamed it to the more appropriate title "A Sketcher Lecture" but it is basically the same contents. But only basically: I have updated quite some details to 0.19 and I have included allmost all remarks of openBrain - which was a huge load - and MSOlsen65, which was a lot too. Thus it has slightly grown in size, although some sections could be shortened due to an improved workflow in 0.19.
Please tell me nevertheless if you find errors.
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Please tell me nevertheless if you find errors.
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