How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

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How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by dapab » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:47 pm

How do I create an open cube (top and bottom faces) with the top side construction square with longer sides than the bottom construction square (so it is a flared cube).
I'm new to freecad and finding this very tricky. I have considered using the wedge primitive shape tool but doesn't seem to offer all the control I want via easy to apply constraints or remove the top and bottom faces.
Have considered carbon copy and/or trying to apply a new sketch to a datum place at 90 degrees to the last but not much progress.
Ideally I'd like length of the sides of one sketch to constrain the other sketches.
Can anyone please advise the best way forward.
Thanks!
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by chrisb » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:33 pm

Hi and welcome to the forum!

Can you link an image or upload a handmade doodle so we can see what you mean with top and bottom?
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by dapab » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:23 pm

Thanks for the reply
I uploaded a sketch. The top and bottom faces are open
Forgot to say I'm using v0.18 but I don't imagine that makes much difference!
Thanks
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by jmaustpc » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:38 pm

You replied while I was typing but you should be able to adjust my file to your values...
dapab wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:47 pm
Can anyone please advise the best way forward.
there are many choices, it also depends on what data you are bsing you design. E.g. are you defining the angle of the sloping sides via an angle measurement or just by the lineal dimensions of the top, bottom, vertical height and wall thickness? If you are modelling an existing object then measuring those dimensions would be easiest. If so you could model it like this, this is also the easiest way from just a modelling point of view.
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here is a screen shot
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All I have done here is
1) simple sketch to define the outer dimensions of the base
2) the same but for the top
3) both sketches are attached to the XY axis plane of the Body when first created, so once created you then need to adjust the vertical offset of the top sketch by the amount of the intended vertical height of the pot (not the angled edge length which would be slightly longer). So in my example attached, look at sketch001, look at its attachment property, expand it, you will see Attachment...Position...z has been changed to 480mm which is the height of the pot (just change that value to what ever you want)
4) Select the first sketch, then PartDesign additive Loft then add the second sketch in the dialogue that pops up. You will now have a solid that you need to hollow out.
5) select just the top face of that solid (which the thickness tool will remove) then click on PartDesign "thickness" tool, add the value of the desired wall thickness, by default it is 1mm and makes the wall thickness go outwards, I guessed 10mm and toggled "reversed ...true" so that the wall thickness goes into the centre of the sketches rather than the default outwards
6) then I created another sketch on the xy axis plane, put three circles in it, one with centre coincident with origin, the other two with centres using "point on object" constraint to the horizontal axis. Then applied a radius to the centre hole, and an "equals" constraint between all three circles. Lastly I positioned the two outer circles with a Horizontal distance constraint, the value of which I defined via an expression that calculated one quarter of the total length of the base of your pot as read from the constraint in the very first sketch named "sketch". For convenience I anmed that constraint in that first sketch (gave it an alis) "base_length". If you use an alis in many places in FreeCAD, do not use spaces in the names as an Expression will not be able to read a name with a space.
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by jmaustpc » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:44 pm

dapab wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:23 pm
Forgot to say I'm using v0.18 but I don't imagine that makes much difference!
Only well over 6 thousand bug fix and new feature code commits! :)

Forget 0.18 just move to the latest snapshot of 0.19, you will not regret it.
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by jmaustpc » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:50 pm

dapab wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:23 pm
Thanks for the reply
I uploaded a sketch.
Top is 1000 x 1000
bottom is 800 x 800
it looks like the vertical is not defined, or is it? Is that 450mm the vertical height or is it the length of that slopped edge which would be clightly longer than the vertical height since it is angled?

also what is the wall thickness of the material and is the base (if it exists) the same thickness as the sides?

dapab wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:23 pm
The top and bottom faces are open
You keep saying that but surely that can not be true, if it's a planter box it must have a bottom. If not modelling it is even easier, just put one rectangle inside another in each sketch, the result of the Loft will be like a tube as the inner rectangle will define the inner wall and the outer rectangle will define the outer wall.


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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by dapab » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:13 pm

Wow thanks so much! I can't tell you how many hours I've spent watching video tutorials etc...
I'm pretty excited by this since I now realise that I can use an expression to set the z coordinate of the top sketch (your step 3)
Predictably I've hit an issue setting the expression....

I think it should be (I renamed the sketches for clarity):
sqrt(480^2 - (((Sketch_top.Constraints.top_length-Sketch_bottom.Constraints.base_length)/2)^2 )) but the parser doesn't like that.

I tried building the expression bit by bit:
Sketch_top.Constraints.top_length - Sketch_bottom.Constraints.base_length / 2 gives parser result of 100 mm (as expected)
but e.g. srqt (Sketch_top.Constraints.top_length - Sketch_bottom.Constraints.base_length / 2) gives result 'all dimensions must be even to calculate the square root'

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Also I'd like to have these three parameters in an easy to set place for modelling - is spreadsheet the best place?
Thanks again
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by chrisb » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:23 pm

You can always use a spreadsheet to calculate things in several steps. If it is a units thing - and the square root of mm cannot be drawn - then you can multiply or divide by "1mm" to add or remove such units.
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by papyblaise » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:34 pm

a few trigo
you fin x^2= (450^2-(a-b)^2) picture#1
I draw a pyramid 1000x800x450 , I cut a long is diagonal , on this face i mesur is diagonal , and obtain the equation above x=427.25

I draw the final pyramid and verify the corner picture#2 (my error is 0.05mm :!: )
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Re: How to create a simple flared cube from 4 sketches

Post by dapab » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:46 pm

Thanks everyone
I'm posting my semi final project file as reference to anyone else who might find it useful. The base of the planter is optional!
The parameters are set in a spreadsheet and dynamically update the shape which is fantastic functionality!
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